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fawgre · Apr 25, 2005, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by arkeh

yup i read that but since i never played the beta,i can't really tell by those stats and spells how good for pvp purposes. so i just wanted to know if it is possible to play a monk in pvp and still be able to compete with say a ranger or warrior.

If by "compete against a ranger/warrior" you mean battle them, no, you have no chance. Monks are designed to heal, and heal, and heal, and maybe protect, but mostly heal. If you're in PvP, and you're a monk, you aren't even thinking about offense. (Unless, of course, you are going to be a smiting monk or a tank, but that's kind of frowned on. It's been done, just warn your teammates that you can't heal before you rush out there.) The monk armor is just too weak to stand up to the rigors of combat, especially if you are going to be devoting slots to healing allies.

Firndeloth · Apr 25, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

As far as being opposed to PvP, from what I hear, PvE is a widdle around on, then wait forthe next expansion. it's for the times you want a break from thhe action. All the same, the PvP action seems to waht this game was made for. Hence; "Guild Wars". So, note i have not played the beta so cannot say for 100% surety, I don't think this is your game. Unless 59 dollars for a year+ of PvP isn't sounding bad too you anymore.
i kind of like PvP thoughso i'm sticking around to see what happens beofre deciding to or not to purchase the game.

fawgre · Apr 25, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19

Point of the game is to have fun...? I guess the point would be to do all of the missions, or, in PvP, to reach the top of the ladder. It's Massively Multiplayer Online in the sense that there's a lot of people and it's played online, but when you go outside of the main meeting places you (and your party) get your own copy of the map with just you (and your party) in it. The second definition is closer, but you can't really solo GW as it's designed more for group combat.

I already answered this in part, but I'll get more in depth. You can solo. It is possible. However, you're going to need Henchmen, or computer controled AI, to go along with you. And you're going to have a tough time of it. Human players, while sometimes unreliable, will get you through the game. Grabbing parties isn't all that difficult, though, since everyone in the game is being forced to work together.

You loose about half of the game not participating in PvP, but the half that you retain is amazing and is good enough as a stand-alone game. While you're limiting your gameplay, PvE is still amazing and you don't have to worry about feeling left out. There are also PvE-only or balanced-between-PvP-and-PvE guilds, so you can join a guild for the community without the push for the top of the ladder.

The devs try to incorporate story into the game. Most players breeze past it, including myself. Every NPC in the game tells you something, some story, and there's a huge plotline buried under all the gameplay. I, of course, skipped past this whole thing in the pursuit of action, but if you are patient you can get a lot out of it. The cutscenes are pretty good, cinematic, epic. Members of your party have the option to skip them, and when you see "5 of the 6 members of your party wish to skip this cinematic" you might feel a little peer pressure.

Danarhys · Apr 25, 2005, 03:26 AM // 03:26

Thanks all for the quick replies. I'll admit that the concept implied by the name of the game was not lost on me (Guild WARS screams GvG), but sometimes I find you can still be surprised by asking questions. Sadly, I'm beginning to think GW may not be the game for me. I'll keep my eye out on it tho. No monthly fees is a huge incentive

fawgre · Apr 25, 2005, 03:55 AM // 03:55

You can always pick up the pre-order (they go from anywhere to a penny, a dollar, or five dollars) and play from the 27th to the 29th. That would be the best way to determine whether or not the game is for you, everything here is biased.

alzy · Apr 25, 2005, 10:04 AM // 10:04

Hey fawgre, thanks for the quick response.

As far as the character details go, I did mean things like name/class/appearance etc..but I was just curious, as stats are reset it's no problem to create another character.

Thanks also for the answers to the other questions.

I am not opposed in any way to PvP, although I am a bit worried of getting my arse kicked by more experienced players, which is why I am planning on concentrating more on the PvE side of the game. As I won't get to devote a 'LOT' of time (like some players obviously will) to the game and I decide to join a 'guild/PvP team' will I be obliged to attend certain events/matches etc.. or will my guild be likely to kick me out due to poor attendance etc..?

Danarhys..I played a few hours of the last beta and played solo, all I can say is based on that time playing the game (and it was enough to make me pre-order it based on single player adventuring alone). If throughout the course of the game a quest is too difficult to complete solo you could always 'hire' a henchman or ask a player or two to help out and then carry on by yourself after that.

Lansing Kai Don · Apr 25, 2005, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by alzy

Hey fawgre, thanks for the quick response.

I am not opposed in any way to PvP, although I am a bit worried of getting my arse kicked by more experienced players, which is why I am planning on concentrating more on the PvE side of the game. As I won't get to devote a 'LOT' of time (like some players obviously will) to the game and I decide to join a 'guild/PvP team' will I be obliged to attend certain events/matches etc.. or will my guild be likely to kick me out due to poor attendance etc..?

Wow, fawgre, way to keep it under wraps on all the responses

. Where would we be without you. alzy it depends completely on the guild you join. While a guild can have up to 100 members most guilds will stick around a close knit group of friends. BUT, that doesn't mean you can't join in on the fun. My guild currently has a member who works almost all the time (no, not me

I'm not that bad yet) and is only able to participate a little bit. But myself and my guild members all have lower level characters we play just for this purpose. We enjoy playing with different teams and members, and we are very "helping new people" oriented. I spend many hours in Pre-Searing Abbey as Kith Verlon, helping new users get acquainted with the game in a friendly environment. You could always join us as a group and possibly as a guild. Just hit "n" and add me to your friends list. Also trusted guild members that don't have a headset (for teamspeak) we send one too ( a cheap one) but at least it helps you participate and get in on all the hilarious fun. I recommend shopping around for a guild that suits your needs.

Lansing Kai Don

Lansing Kai Don · Apr 25, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

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Originally Posted by Danarhys

Thanks all for the quick replies. I'll admit that the concept implied by the name of the game was not lost on me (Guild WARS screams GvG), but sometimes I find you can still be surprised by asking questions. Sadly, I'm beginning to think GW may not be the game for me. I'll keep my eye out on it tho. No monthly fees is a huge incentive

Yes very huge incentive... knowing the computer industry. I'm always upset to see monthly fees on anything except internet service. This game is not for everyone, but I think fawgre is very action oriented. Whereas, I prefer to take my time, survey the upcoming battle and make an appropriate strategy. I'm also much more PvE oriented and like exploration. I will be trying PvP later on, but kind of scared to dip my toes into it. PvE gets my adrenaline going, I'd probably have a heart attack on PvP. I made these statements as a balance to the name... it does seem GvG, but I've spent 3 BWE's doing nothing but PvE and haven't gone through a 1/8 of the Beta (which is a 1/3 of the game). But like fawgre said, you really should purchase a preorder for that small fee and see what you will be missing.

Lansing Kai Don

alzy · Apr 25, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Thanks Lansing Kai Don,

I already use TS in other games. My friends and I usually play FPS's but I also enjoy RPG's and I am trying to convince them all to buy GW asap so we can form our own team. As we don't always manage to be able to play together a lot I am planning on having a character to use solo PvE but would be happy for any help/support/info from other players as I progress.

Thanks again and look forward to playing,

Alzy

Canook · Apr 25, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08

sorry guys, quickie question. i just got the game on preorder and received the special preorder version with disc and cd key. i was wondering...it says my product has already been used "Err=105" or something along the lines of that...whats up with that? do i need to wait until the next beta event or something?

any help would be great. thanks.

fawgre · Apr 25, 2005, 11:20 PM // 23:20

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ighlight=error

That thread should help you about a bit. It's a common problem, just wait until release to enter your code.

Canook · Apr 25, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

thanks for the heads up bro. appreciate it.

Firndeloth · Apr 26, 2005, 12:29 AM // 00:29

Could someone explain the combat system in detail? As i siad when I posted this earlier i understand the basics but no ones really given it a thurough run down. Also: I've heard something about a subscription fee for anyone who wants to go beyond level ten to the final ten levels. Is this rumor, or a sad marketing tequnique used again after being used for ages past and to come?

fawgre · Apr 26, 2005, 12:42 AM // 00:42

Combat system... is complicated, but I'll take a stab at it.

In PVE: You run up to a monster, either in melee range or the range of your spell, and auto-attack it using the spacebar (or double-click) and then use your skills, or go right into using your skills without auto-attacking. There are eight skills on the bottom of the screen, you can either hit these (with the mouse) or hit the number keys 1-8 to activate them. You have a set amount of energy with which to use spells, and you are also limited by their recharge times (the time until you can use that spell again). Once the enemy is dead, you repeat.

PVP combat is far too complicated to get into, but it's basically the same thing with a lot more strategy and a lot more planning.

Best way is to find out for yourself in the Early Access, it's not all that difficult to pick up. Hopefully that insanely basic explanation helps some, if not, PM me and I'll try to get into more detail.

As per the second half, it's LIES, lies lies. LIES. No subscription fees, ever. You can choose to pay for additional content in Chapters every six months, but you are not obligated to.

Jokme Izzle · Apr 26, 2005, 02:27 AM // 02:27

theres no subscription fee right? but how does GW peoples make money then? do they just come from the new chapters that will come out every few months? Is that more or a less a sneaky version of monthly payment or something? i mean seriously, the free thing is just awesome and too good to be true- im dumbfounded....

fawgre · Apr 26, 2005, 02:34 AM // 02:34

Yes, they get their money from the Chapters. But, think of it this way.

Traditional Pay to Play: 15 dollars a month? Times 12 months, if you choose to play the entire year. You must keep paying if you want to continue enjoying the game.

Guild Wars: 50 dollars up-front. You can stop right here, and just play this game for the rest of your life, there's no oligation to purchase additional chapters. If you choose to buy another expansion, it's 50 dollars (or possibly a bit less) every 6 months, which is about 100 dollars a year (or about 8 dollars per month).

If that's "sneaky" to you, well, then, yeah, I guess you could consider that your monthly payment. It's more like you're purchasing an entirely new game every 6 months, though, which is why the chapters are priced as first-tier games would be.

GhostXero · Apr 26, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

I heard from someone that you can't see people outside of the towns is that true?

Bgnome · Apr 26, 2005, 10:21 PM // 22:21

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Originally Posted by GhostXero

I heard from someone that you can't see people outside of the towns is that true?

missions and explorable areas are instanced specifically for your party. you will not run into any other players in your instance.

GhostXero · Apr 26, 2005, 10:24 PM // 22:24

So wait if your not on a mission can't see people?

I mean like exploring the wild will i ever come into anyone thats not in my party?

I mean in all MMO's the thing i like most is walking around the wild and seeing people just doing whatever other people do.

Jaythen Tyradel · Apr 26, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by GhostXero

So wait if your not on a mission can't see people?

I mean like exploring the wild will i ever come into anyone thats not in my party?

I mean in all MMO's the thing i like most is walking around the wild and seeing people just doing whatever other people do.

GW does not have that. All the other players out side of the party you form can only be seen inside the towns and outposts.
It was done this way to prevent PK, kill stealing, waiting for creatures to respawn in order to complete missions/quests, and other issues normaly seen within other MMOs.

Apr 25, 2005, 03:19 AM // 03:19	#103
fawgre Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Guild: Storm Haven Profession: N/	Point of the game is to have fun...? I guess the point would be to do all of the missions, or, in PvP, to reach the top of the ladder. It's Massively Multiplayer Online in the sense that there's a lot of people and it's played online, but when you go outside of the main meeting places you (and your party) get your own copy of the map with just you (and your party) in it. The second definition is closer, but you can't really solo GW as it's designed more for group combat. I already answered this in part, but I'll get more in depth. You can solo. It is possible. However, you're going to need Henchmen, or computer controled AI, to go along with you. And you're going to have a tough time of it. Human players, while sometimes unreliable, will get you through the game. Grabbing parties isn't all that difficult, though, since everyone in the game is being forced to work together. You loose about half of the game not participating in PvP, but the half that you retain is amazing and is good enough as a stand-alone game. While you're limiting your gameplay, PvE is still amazing and you don't have to worry about feeling left out. There are also PvE-only or balanced-between-PvP-and-PvE guilds, so you can join a guild for the community without the push for the top of the ladder. The devs try to incorporate story into the game. Most players breeze past it, including myself. Every NPC in the game tells you something, some story, and there's a huge plotline buried under all the gameplay. I, of course, skipped past this whole thing in the pursuit of action, but if you are patient you can get a lot out of it. The cutscenes are pretty good, cinematic, epic. Members of your party have the option to skip them, and when you see "5 of the 6 members of your party wish to skip this cinematic" you might feel a little peer pressure. Last edited by fawgre; Apr 25, 2005 at 03:22 AM // 03:22..

Apr 25, 2005, 10:04 AM // 10:04	#106
alzy Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK	Hey fawgre, thanks for the quick response. As far as the character details go, I did mean things like name/class/appearance etc..but I was just curious, as stats are reset it's no problem to create another character. Thanks also for the answers to the other questions. I am not opposed in any way to PvP, although I am a bit worried of getting my arse kicked by more experienced players, which is why I am planning on concentrating more on the PvE side of the game. As I won't get to devote a 'LOT' of time (like some players obviously will) to the game and I decide to join a 'guild/PvP team' will I be obliged to attend certain events/matches etc.. or will my guild be likely to kick me out due to poor attendance etc..? Danarhys..I played a few hours of the last beta and played solo, all I can say is based on that time playing the game (and it was enough to make me pre-order it based on single player adventuring alone). If throughout the course of the game a quest is too difficult to complete solo you could always 'hire' a henchman or ask a player or two to help out and then carry on by yourself after that. Last edited by alzy; Apr 25, 2005 at 10:08 AM // 10:08..

Apr 25, 2005, 11:20 PM // 23:20	#111
fawgre Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Guild: Storm Haven Profession: N/	http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ighlight=error That thread should help you about a bit. It's a common problem, just wait until release to enter your code. Last edited by fawgre; Apr 25, 2005 at 11:28 PM // 23:28..

Apr 26, 2005, 12:29 AM // 00:29	#113
Firndeloth Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	Could someone explain the combat system in detail? As i siad when I posted this earlier i understand the basics but no ones really given it a thurough run down. Also: I've heard something about a subscription fee for anyone who wants to go beyond level ten to the final ten levels. Is this rumor, or a sad marketing tequnique used again after being used for ages past and to come? Last edited by Firndeloth; Apr 26, 2005 at 12:32 AM // 00:32..

Apr 26, 2005, 12:42 AM // 00:42	#114
fawgre Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Guild: Storm Haven Profession: N/	Combat system... is complicated, but I'll take a stab at it. In PVE: You run up to a monster, either in melee range or the range of your spell, and auto-attack it using the spacebar (or double-click) and then use your skills, or go right into using your skills without auto-attacking. There are eight skills on the bottom of the screen, you can either hit these (with the mouse) or hit the number keys 1-8 to activate them. You have a set amount of energy with which to use spells, and you are also limited by their recharge times (the time until you can use that spell again). Once the enemy is dead, you repeat. PVP combat is far too complicated to get into, but it's basically the same thing with a lot more strategy and a lot more planning. Best way is to find out for yourself in the Early Access, it's not all that difficult to pick up. Hopefully that insanely basic explanation helps some, if not, PM me and I'll try to get into more detail. As per the second half, it's LIES, lies lies. LIES. No subscription fees, ever. You can choose to pay for additional content in Chapters every six months, but you are not obligated to. Last edited by fawgre; Apr 26, 2005 at 12:47 AM // 00:47..

Apr 25, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14	#102
Firndeloth Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	As far as being opposed to PvP, from what I hear, PvE is a widdle around on, then wait forthe next expansion. it's for the times you want a break from thhe action. All the same, the PvP action seems to waht this game was made for. Hence; "Guild Wars". So, note i have not played the beta so cannot say for 100% surety, I don't think this is your game. Unless 59 dollars for a year+ of PvP isn't sounding bad too you anymore. i kind of like PvP thoughso i'm sticking around to see what happens beofre deciding to or not to purchase the game.

Apr 25, 2005, 03:26 AM // 03:26	#104
Danarhys Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005	Thanks all for the quick replies. I'll admit that the concept implied by the name of the game was not lost on me (Guild WARS screams GvG), but sometimes I find you can still be surprised by asking questions. Sadly, I'm beginning to think GW may not be the game for me. I'll keep my eye out on it tho. No monthly fees is a huge incentive

Apr 25, 2005, 03:55 AM // 03:55	#105
fawgre Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Guild: Storm Haven Profession: N/	You can always pick up the pre-order (they go from anywhere to a penny, a dollar, or five dollars) and play from the 27th to the 29th. That would be the best way to determine whether or not the game is for you, everything here is biased.

Apr 25, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19	#109
alzy Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: UK	Thanks Lansing Kai Don, I already use TS in other games. My friends and I usually play FPS's but I also enjoy RPG's and I am trying to convince them all to buy GW asap so we can form our own team. As we don't always manage to be able to play together a lot I am planning on having a character to use solo PvE but would be happy for any help/support/info from other players as I progress. Thanks again and look forward to playing, Alzy

Apr 25, 2005, 11:08 PM // 23:08	#110
Canook Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Guild: Saints of Sin [SAS] Profession: Mo/Me	sorry guys, quickie question. i just got the game on preorder and received the special preorder version with disc and cd key. i was wondering...it says my product has already been used "Err=105" or something along the lines of that...whats up with that? do i need to wait until the next beta event or something? any help would be great. thanks.

Apr 25, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39	#112
Canook Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Guild: Saints of Sin [SAS] Profession: Mo/Me	thanks for the heads up bro. appreciate it.

Apr 26, 2005, 02:27 AM // 02:27	#115
Jokme Izzle Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Apr 2005	money theres no subscription fee right? but how does GW peoples make money then? do they just come from the new chapters that will come out every few months? Is that more or a less a sneaky version of monthly payment or something? i mean seriously, the free thing is just awesome and too good to be true- im dumbfounded....

Apr 26, 2005, 02:34 AM // 02:34	#116
fawgre Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Guild: Storm Haven Profession: N/	Yes, they get their money from the Chapters. But, think of it this way. Traditional Pay to Play: 15 dollars a month? Times 12 months, if you choose to play the entire year. You must keep paying if you want to continue enjoying the game. Guild Wars: 50 dollars up-front. You can stop right here, and just play this game for the rest of your life, there's no oligation to purchase additional chapters. If you choose to buy another expansion, it's 50 dollars (or possibly a bit less) every 6 months, which is about 100 dollars a year (or about 8 dollars per month). If that's "sneaky" to you, well, then, yeah, I guess you could consider that your monthly payment. It's more like you're purchasing an entirely new game every 6 months, though, which is why the chapters are priced as first-tier games would be.

Apr 26, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18	#117
GhostXero Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA	I heard from someone that you can't see people outside of the towns is that true?

Apr 26, 2005, 10:24 PM // 22:24	#119
GhostXero Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA	So wait if your not on a mission can't see people? I mean like exploring the wild will i ever come into anyone thats not in my party? I mean in all MMO's the thing i like most is walking around the wild and seeing people just doing whatever other people do. Last edited by GhostXero; Apr 26, 2005 at 10:28 PM // 22:28..